POLL: We can be successful next season without a top-six finish – Paul Jewell

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• Brian, I apologise, I obviously did not consider you when I believe most participants are of a reasonable educational standard. It was a simple mistake for PJ which I am sure most people realised since his statement was the subject matter.

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  Cyril Baker

  Friday, April 27, 2012

• Brian, more like people in Public Houses (PH)

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  Kevin Bailey

  Friday, April 27, 2012

• OK Cyril, you complain about not debating and reading statements incorrectly but again I ask who is PH ? "People in glass houses". springs to mind

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  Brian Betts

  Friday, April 27, 2012

• Kevin, what a loser you are, you make claims that I prove to you were incorrect and YOU go running to the hills. Sorry you dont want to debate with me any more but you are just not smart enough.

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  Cyril Baker

  Thursday, April 26, 2012

• @ Cyril, perhaps this clears things up a bit: Jewell said: “I think certainly last summer we just trying to get whoever was available all of a sudden. We probably weren’t patient enough. If someone came on the market, we’d think we’d take him because he’s been [a good player]. “Look at Ívar Ingimarsson, we took him. We took Lee Bowyer, we took Jimmy Bullard. Jimmy Bullard got Player of the Year last year and everybody wants you to take people. “Maybe when you sit back you think that we’ve got to have more of a plan. We’ve got to try and target players earlier, which we have been. “We’ve improved our scouting network, which is important, both home and abroad, and hopefully we’ll have more of a choice of players to choose from.” “I hope next season is successful, but success might not always be measured in getting promotion. “It might be, for argument’s sake, that we just finish outside but we’ve got a really good squad, a really good team and we just lack that one or two players to make the push [the following season].” - In short (this is me commenting now :-) ), you may try to put a different spin on things, but it certainly looks like the above was said. I personally think the poll put on this page by EADT is fatuous. Do I agree we can have a successful season outside the top 6: Yes, totally. But it would involve getting young players in the side and PLAYING them. It would involve creating a platform for the future. It would involve getting a few players in from lower divisions. I have, unfortunately, seen nothing from Jewell with us, or anything in his previous jobs, that shows he has ANY ability in youth progression- I'm happy to be corrected, but 2 or 3 decent players in around 13 years of management is NOT an ITFC type manager. This is not anti-jewell, this is accepting the facts. Something the dwindling 'Jewell does no wrong, but when he does he says sorry' brigade appear unwilling to accept.

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  I am Spartacus

  Thursday, April 26, 2012

• Cyril, who is PH ?

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  Brian Betts

  Thursday, April 26, 2012

• Cyril, I have spent enough time on your fantasy posts, and will not be replying to any more of them.

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  Kevin Bailey

  Thursday, April 26, 2012

• Kevin, If PJ did make the statement perhaps you could tell me in which paragraph he gives up on next season. In fact PH say "I hope next season will be successful" you need to read the article before forming your own version.

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  Cyril Baker

  Thursday, April 26, 2012

• Cyril are you reading the same article as myself and others on here or are you still on the article you are in denial of ? Jewell's attitude shows just how inept he is as manager of ITFC.

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  Brian Betts

  Thursday, April 26, 2012

• bristan, all supporters pay their monies to watch ITFC play a game of football and are entitled to show their appreciation or disappointment as and when they choose. If you feel inclined to cheer like a 'loonie' at lack lustre performances and pure dross, go ahead and do it but don't expect everyone to have such low expectations as you appear to have.

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  Brian Betts

  Thursday, April 26, 2012

• Cyril, it is not god management to right of next season before this one is even finished. Norwich and Southampton have each gone from league one to the premiership in tow seasons, so there is no reason why the longest serving club in the championship could not be promoted, with the right philosophy, and the right management structure at the club, and the right manager of the team. The fact that the current manager is writing off the season shows how limited he is.

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  Kevin Bailey

  Thursday, April 26, 2012

• bristan....I think you are missing the point. I have not heard or read anyone stating that we should have ALL youngsters, and no experience. The frustration comes, becomes Hyam, who clearly excelled when picked, is discarded, yet Bowyer and Leadbitter are selected perpetually ahead of him. The game against Millwall was a chance to play OUR youngsters, and was another chance missed by Jewell. Many supporters have become utterly disillusioned because of the way the club is being run, and because of the way the team is picked. These are troubling times for Ipswich under the current trio of Clegg, Evans and Jewell, who has sadly not lived up to his name in any way, shape or form.

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  Kevin Bailey

  Thursday, April 26, 2012

• My god the anti Jewell brigade are clutching at straws, he is simply dampening down expectations, which relieves the pressure on everyone. I suggest that good management.

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  Cyril Baker

  Thursday, April 26, 2012

• Kevin Francis, Not with Jewell as manager but we are stuck with him with some posters saying "give him further time". It would be interesting for EADT to run a poll asking if Paul Jewell should remain as ITFC manager but no doubt would be accused of trying to get him the sack.

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  Brian Betts

  Thursday, April 26, 2012

• Unfortunately after Evan's investment only that thing called .... called .... 'promotion' will ever be good enough. Is Paul Jewell the right man for this magical word that all Ipswich fans want? I don't think so, I've always been a fan of a young and passionate manager. Jim Magilton, under his reign was the last time we even came close to the play-offs and I remember in that season we were absolutely formidable at home because he loved the club so much, Clegg, Evans and Jewell are like the three most irritating people to ever be in charge of Ipswich. Poor attendances, poor football, lacklustre players and useless managing is not a good mix. I love Ipswich Town, I just can't see where we're going. I hope I'm prooved wrong.

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  Paul The Alien

  Thursday, April 26, 2012

• Mark. I am afraid this is the mentality of Ipswich supporters. Moan Moan Moan.Put in the youngsters and be in a relegation position at Christmas and it will be why have we not got experience in the team. Against Millwall there was no support for the team and all I could hear was moaning instead of getting behind the team. In fact it's the pathetic support which the team gets which depresses me more than the football. Keep beefing on about the past is what ITFC supporters are all about and while that is the case the atmosphere the team experiences is exactly what we will get. Supportes are what we are but I hear prescious little support when things get tough.

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  bristan

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• Dear EADT, forgive my ignorance but is this a direct quote or isnt it? Are they all PJs words?and how on earth did he articulate the brackets?! Because without the words "(the top six)" I'd agree. A team that makes the playoffs and doesnt get promoted have still had a good season. EDITOR’S COMMENT: These are direct quotes. The brackets are to indicate that the question which proceeded the answer referred to directly to ‘the top six’.

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  mike walker

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• I'm fed up of Cyril denying the facts of Jewell's vacuuous comments. Is there any way that the EADT can offer a transcript so Cyril can realise his conspiracy theory is just a figment of his imagination?

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  I am Spartacus

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• I agree with Tom except that Jewell will be given the whole season provided he is not firmly in the relegation mire any time from December onwards. He has actually invested in younger players - he permanently signed Cresswell, JET and recalled Martin after his display v. Peterborough plus Drury has come good - and he has admitted his and the owner's mistake in trying a quick fix. But they are not from the ITFC youth set-up and he absolutely needs to show more faith in its products despite, really because of the pressures brought about by the new academy and fair play rules. Almostly uniquely, that is how an ITFC manager is judged and it will always be the same whether we are in the Prem or the Blue Square - we should all be proud of that and I am including the owner and the manager in the 'we'.

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  Andrew Houseley

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• Nest season , i will bet my cotton socks now that we will be relegated to division one if paul jewel remains in charge , what a statement to make for any potential signings to read , anyone fancy another year in the championship?

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  KEVIN FRANCIS

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• Cyril, you have 'disbelieved' Dave Gooderham twice, and you have also accused me of making up the comments that Jewell has made. The Editor has now made it clear to you that the comments WERE made.

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  Kevin Bailey

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• If only. This club has gone backwards year on year since the sell out and there is nothing to suggest that next year will not be worse than this year. I think any true supporters would be happy with just a hint of home-grown players given a chance and a spine of a team being developed no matter where the club finishes. Alas this clueless manager has nailed his colours to the mast by taking the precisely opposite tack.

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  Rob Steroo

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• Mark, all the vast majority of Ipswich supporters want is for the communication from the club to be honest and clear, for the manager to actually say something and do it, not say one thing and do another, and for the younger players to be developed, and not neglected at the expense (in every sense) of loanees. We expect a foundation to be built, and then for that foundation to be built on. IF that was to be happening, then we could see progress, and we may very well expect that progress to be quicker, yet we could mostly agree that we were heading in the right direction. The frustration, or anger, or disillusionment that people feel, is not only are we failing in all of these areas, we have a manager that is giving up on next season before it has even come to the end of this season! No wonder he appointed Grant captain, as if you recall he gave up at half time. Never have I seen a more unsuitable captain in my time 40 years of supporting Ipswich. In summary, we have lost our way, and we have lost our identity. The poor league position is purely a symptom of the disease, not the disease itself, and until the three men holding the reins realise that they are making the symptoms worse, then the alienation will simply grow greater, in direct proportion to the crowds growing smaller. Personally, I would suggest that Evans either throws money at it, or brings in someone who can develop a young, and talented squad, which may take time, but if we could see Hyam, Smith, Lawrence and Whight in our team, then we would feel that we were progressing, with experience coming from Edwards, Scotland and Bullard.

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  Kevin Bailey

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• if you town fans hold off buying season tickets. things will change mr e is all about money empty seats will hurt his bank book. what happend to the three year plan. jewell will keep bowyer at a lower wage. what a joke. if a new manager arrives he and the rest of dads army will be gone. i do feel sorry for you fans. i hope things will change soon.

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  mike benham

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• I, too, have been frustrated over the course of the season by both the inconsistency in performances, along with the lack of youth on display in the final few games. However, regarding the position in the league, a number of the fans on this forum seem to be working on the assumption that with any other managerCEOowner we would be higher in the league. When you consider Coventry, and Preston before that, as two teams that had also held the title of longest serving in the championship, then it is relatively obvious the direction (division 1) that teams frequently end up heading. Therefore, to state that anything other than a top 6 finish next season as failure is a ludicrous statement. If you look into the research (or an easy article on the subject) then changing manager frequently does not end up with the desired results - http:www.guardian.co.uksportblog2011jan08football-managers-richard-bevan PJ should at least have next season in charge, though by the end of that season I would at least expect there to be a strong core to the team and obvious framework to build upon, including incorporating youth talent.

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  XYZ123

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• To be fair Frank there has been an awful lot of patience shown by Town fans after several seasons where we have been NOWHERE NEAR promotion. The last time we did get close was when for a short while we believed Alan Lee’s goal against Hull nearly four years ago might get us into the play-offs, but even then it was only a slim outside chance. The fact that we are now labeling next season as the start of building towards a possible (and it seems increasingly unlikely) promotion sometime in the distant future suggests that the last three or four seasons have been utterly wasted, which let’s face it they have, along with OUR hard-earned money from wages the size of a night out for a lot of our over-paid ‘players’. After ten seasons of watching other better-run clubs, many on immensely smaller budgets than that available to Keane and Jewell, getting promoted to the PL - some of whom have even passed us from the lower divisions – I reckon we deserve more than yet another wretched season plodding aimlessly around at this level as generation after generation of good youngsters get passed over and released. Regardless of whether this is a case of under-promising and over-delivering, ITFC fans quite rightly expect nothing less than a play-off place from a squad made-up of experienced players and promising young players coming through (currently being halted by Jewell and co) and managed by a manager who has been a manager for nearly two decades and has overseen three promotions at previous clubs and who was brought in on the basis of him not being a rooky that we had to gamble on.

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  Mike Rotch

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• What a thankless task it is to be involved with ITFC! If somebody doesn't speak, they're blasted for be invisible etc. (Evans). If they try to look on the bright side they die by that sword if it doesn't live up to expectations. (Keane). If they tell it how it is, they get complained about from the off. (Jewell). I could go on.....................! It's clear to see why Town fans, and Suffolk people in general are seen as far from the 'Happy chappies of football and life' !!! I know things don't always go to plan, and how we hope, but maybe it's time to start topping up the 'half-empty glasses.' :-(

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  Mark

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• Readers should note that following my previous entry, the EADT has not been prepared to support Dave Gooderhams statement EDITOR’S COMMENT: The quotes in this story were given at a pre-match press conference last Friday

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  Cyril Baker

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• Frank, Rome wasn't built in a day but it was a good thing Jewell wasn't in the workforce otherwise it wouldn't be there today!!!!! Also if success is not about winning things then why have leagues ? Just play friendlies but they would still have results. Please don't talk about patience, the supporters have been patient for over 10yrs and it is now wearing a bit thin after 5yrs of ME and CEO Clegg.

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  Brian Betts

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• I think a lot depends on what you read into another mischievous article, hich I suspect, has taken Paul Jewell's words out of context. I think Dave Gooderham is a decent journalist so I reserve judegment on the accuracy of this statement but what I will say is that success is not always measured by winning things and if we have a good cup run and say finish in the top half of the table this would be a significant change in fortunes. Rome was not built in a day and nor was Portman Road. Sadly however, patience is not a football virtue.

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  FRANK WESTON

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• Whilst this is no doubt a deliberate attempt to under promise and over deliver, versus the Keane approach of over promising and not delivering anything at all, pretty much followed with more of the same by PJ, it is rather commercially naive to send out this message to supporters immediately BEFORE they are supposed to renew season tickets. If the club doesn't seriously aim for promotion, then apart from the fact that the 50% offer of reduction in the Prem is meaningless, why should we pay our money to come mid table again? Very odd.

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  Tom

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• Millwalls 1st double for 59 yrs over ITFC,and the lowest league position since I started supporting 50 years ago.In fact I feared relegation to 3rd tier after Burnley debacle. We were persuaded by DS in 2009 that Mr Evans takeover would improve situation;but the opposite has happened,and since PJ's meeting with ME the other week,he hasn't been very bullish about next season saying we will have difficulty in competing financially with a lot of other clubs. Lets face it if we have to rely on more loans and premiership has beens next season under this manager we will be looking at the bottom again as for the last two seasons

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  Seasider

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• So he has told us that the last few months we couldn’t experiment with players, particularly the youngsters, despite our season being dead and yet he’s prepared to use the WHOLE of next season to experiment? Except he won’t will he. More youngsters will be left on the sidelines in favour of thirty-somethings and washed up PL ‘stars’. This time next year – if PJ is still in the job or it is someone else – we will be in exactly the same situation of being mid-table, season over by Christmas and harping on about how the next couple of years will be when we build up to promotion, etc. That’s unless we end up getting relegated which with every passing season of mind-numbing, soul-destroying, mid-table mediocrity and being years away from having a side capable of getting to the PL seems to be an increasingly attractive opportunity to clear out the deadwood that is holding this club back.

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  Mike Rotch

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• One word.....negativity. I was totally behind Paul Jewell until the last home game, he had a chance to put in the youngsters and again didn't, if we had lost that game 6 nil but gave a few young ones experience then the fans would of been happy but he played Leadbitter who won't be here next season Murphy who is on loan Bowyer once again a sub who probably won't be here next season and he wonders why majority of the fans left early. Should of been Alan Curbishly pre Roy Keane. I understand he's still available and he loves this club.

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  Deg

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• I think the supporters have been very patient in view of the optimistic comments made over the past few years about promotion. I don't wish to watch another year's play anywhere like the current one. Sort it out PJ. , you must be better than this.

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  JOHN BURLS

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• Sigh...... did he really say this? Only positive thing in the whole article is the muppet only has one year left.

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  Vanmunt

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• So,these are the words of our manager for next season.This season we have finished with less points than the previous season and worse of in terms of staff.So next season we have to suffer once again from a manager who is not fit enough to run a school team.What confidence he breeds.!We just cannot go on like this,PJ is way out of his depth .ME must see this.! This is not the right comment to make when supporters are concidering whether to buy season tickets and does not help in trying to attract a better class of player to the club.WHAT A SHAMBLES.Just leave PJ.!

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  brisie58

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• Once again Dave Gooderham and the eadt are trying to wip up anti Jewell feeling. Paul Jewell is simply trying to dampen down the expectations of supporters, but knows full well if he does not do it next season he will be gone. Perhaps the eadt would like to interfere with my entry once again and tell us when this meeting took place.

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  Cyril Baker

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• Considering the performances and league positions from the last few years id say anything from 10th place or higher would be a success because it would be progress. Preferably in the top 6 but if its from 7th-10th it would still be a improvement so a step forward so i would say thats success as its moving forward and progressing. The season after tht top 6 would be needed for a successful season then.

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  Monkey1986

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• Hope is important in life. I hope you leave Jewell, by 3pm today.

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  Kevin Bailey

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• You could not make this up. Success to this ....... would mean finishing 14th and letting only 73 goals in. When will his employers realise that he out of his depth. With these sort of comments he sounds out of time.

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  graham garrod

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• this from our manager!!!!..there was i thinking i was the only glass half empty person!!!

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  keith matthews

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• This is a realistic assessment of prospects given the current quality of the players and likely budget. Reality hurts but for too long Ipswich have looked backwards and dined out on yesterday's glory. Time to face facts....below average team,falling support levels,lack of direction from the top with no consistent strategy and poor public relations. The question is' What is going to change and when?' Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer...last one out ,turn off the lights please!

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  woshaapernin

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• So there we have it season ticket holders hot off the press a good result next season would be a finish just outside the play-offs,not necessarily a play off spot or promotion,how does that wet the old cockles then.We can now look forward to two more seasons in the championship well done pj i hope you have managed to get your foot out of your mouth by now

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  peter samuels

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• I agree- stunningly- we can be successful without a play-off place, but this is ONLY if we go the route of youth. If we follow where Crystal Palace and Watford (for example) have already aimed. If we give youth a chance and actually build for the future rather than try and buy in success with over paid, under-hungry mercenaries. Do I feel Jewell has the slightest ability with youth? Nope. Does anyone? If you do, what is your yardstick? Where has he seriously taken the chance in his career to rely on youth? I've been searching on the internet and can see no indication he has ever displayed the kind of managerial direction towards youth that we would HAVE to have at ITFC to build for the future. All very well getting a team of older players but without the foundation of youth it is just a house of cards built in quicksand. At this stage though, I think Jewell will say anything to try and distract from his abysmal decisions and ineptitude.

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  I am Spartacus

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• We will never be successful again with Jewell as manager and with the pessimistic attitude he displays in this article how can he expect to attract ambitious players to the club ? Only old PL players in the 'last chance saloon' He should go now either voluntarily or be dismissed and let another hungry manager have a new season to clear up the total mess Jewell has made.

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  Brian Betts

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• what can one say to those remarks by PJ,personally im gobsmacked,he was hired to get us into the PL if he has no confidence in being able to do it then he should go now and give someone else a chance.

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  scarffy

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• Has proved he cant manage and now proving he has no idea of attracting new season ticket holders. Disgrace.

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  chantry boy

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• Has he told Marcus Evans?

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  The original Victor Meldrew

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012

• If we come 7th after a much improved season, with good young players coming through, missing play-offs narrowly, then yes, it would be a successful season based on this season's poor performance. But I can't see PJ staying in the job unless we are pushing for the top 6 come xmas.

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  Tom

  Wednesday, April 25, 2012