TWO former Ipswich Town players are in disagreement about the influx of loan players at Portman Road.

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With Tyrone Barnett becoming the 10th borrowed player of the campaign this week, Ibrahima Sonko echoed the fears of numerous supporters on social networking website Twitter.

The centre-back – now at Turkish top-flight side Akhisar Belediyespor following his release by Town this summer – said: “Too many players on loan at Ipswich. When a player belongs to a club they care more. Give a chance to the young ones like (Luke) Hyam and (Josh) Carson – they love the club and will die for it.”

Recent Blues loanee Richie Wellens said that it was the players contracted to the club that ‘didn’t care enough about losing’ during his time in Suffolk.

And David Stockdale – who played 18 games on loan at Ipswich last season – agrees that the attitude of loan players’ shouldn’t be called into question.

“If you think about it logically, players are sent out on loan because they are not playing,” said the Fulham keeper, speaking exclusively to the EADT and Ipswich Star. “It would be to their detriment if they didn’t play well.

“Keith Andrews came to Ipswich wanting to go to the European Championships with Ireland, Danny Collins was hoping to get a new contract – all loan players have their own agendas and to achieve them they have to play well. It wouldn’t be in their interests to not try.

“I can’t say I’ve ever played alongside a single loan player who has not tried or not cared about losing. Some of them might not work out, but the same can be said of permanent signings too.”

– What do you think? Post your comments below or e-mail: sport@eadt.co.uk

19 comments

  • Cyril - it does seem that you have found out at last who the original Old Timer is - aka Brian. I unfortunately am the young upstart who took the same pseudonym without knowing there was already one on this site. I am the one who makes most of the comments to which you object - though everytime I think the original has given up he will briefly appear again - all very confusing - & I will endevour to use my limited technical skills to re register under a different name. In the meantime however you have not said why you think loanees are a better idea than homegrown ?????????? One other point I would make is that you have often - & correctly - referred to RKs biggest mistake being that he let Rhodes go to Huddersfield for peanuts. I would contend that had JR been given a proper run in the first team as a youngster there could have been little doubt as to how good a player he was & the mistake avoided ?????? OK he probably still wouldn't have been here now - but at least we would have got a realistic fee for him. Again I'm not pretending I've got the answers & could indeed be wrong - but the poll is whether we would rather have our own players or loanees & my personal opinion is that in order to build for the future we should give more opportunities to our own players.

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    Old Timer

    Thursday, November 22, 2012

  • Of course 10 loan players is too many, and the main issue is not the status of the player (loanee or contracted to ITFC) it is the lack of consistency in selection, and the fact that ever since Keane left, we have had the contract fiasco at the end of each season, and soon the majority of our first team squad will either be going back to their parent club, or free to sign a pre-contract agreement elsewhere. My estimate is only 7 or 8 of out current first team squad are contracted to be here for the start of next season, and that is the real issue in my view. Stockdale and Wellens are terrific professionals and clearly cared whilst here, and even if that is just on a personal level, that still does the job. Shane Supple was right when he said there was a culture of accepting second best at Ipswich, and when Keane tried to deal with that, he was not supported, and we have seen the results of that since Keane left, with the club going into complete freefall. Klug was assistant manager when Keane was here, and quite rightly he wanted his own man. At the time, he had nothing to do with the academy, although it does not stop the less bright from making that false accusation. Jewell and Clegg between them have taken us to the cliff of relegation to league one, and it will be a close call as to whether MM can prevent relegation or not. We have to beat Peterborough in my view, or else the flicker of hope provided by the wins against Birmingham and Burnley will be extinguished by the 5-0, 6-0 and defeat to Peterborough. If we draw with Peterborough and beat Forest that would be fine too. If we lose both, then the fat lady could well be approaching the microphone. Of course we have players of our own that are good enough to play in the starting eleven, week in, and week out. Loach (instead of Henderson) Hyam (take your pick) and Smith (take your pick). We also have two or three more than capable of being substitutes and challenging for a place. As that is 27% of the team, and squad, the answer is in plain sight for all to see. In the short term, MM has had to use the loan system, yet I expect a large change in personnel in January, in order to stop this reckless short-termissm, which is threatening the club's existence at this level. For that, Clegg has to go, and Evans needs to sort it out or sell us.

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    Kevin Bailey

    Thursday, November 22, 2012

  • Kevin, Please raise the issue made in your last sentence when you attend the forthcoming AGM.

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    Brian Betts

    Thursday, November 22, 2012

  • Silly web poll - too restrictive, third alternative at least viz, "A combination of both".

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    JOHN BURLS

    Thursday, November 22, 2012

  • Do the people who voted yes really want to see our top goalscorer sent packing? I said no purely for that reason - however i agree with John Burls and feel a combination of both is better. I imagine that most town fans would vote for this - so in my mind the highest poll option, isnt an option.

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    daniel fountain

    Thursday, November 22, 2012

  • The web poll is ill conceived and serves no useful purpose. As Cyri has eloquently explained, it is all very well saying bring on our youth but were are they? Keane throw Bryan Klug out the back door along with some excellent prospects. Sadly the youth team now is but a pale shadow of its former self.

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    FRANK WESTON

    Thursday, November 22, 2012

  • Cyril - you should speak to your friend Brian who will confirm that he is merely one of 2 Old Timers allowed on this site. One is your friend - I - the other one - am your sparring partner. I would hate for us to have yet another falling out & you blame it on your friend. I do find myself lately agreeing with quite a bit of what you say - but suspect we'll always have a bit of history in that because you never believed there were in fact 2 Old Timers - you accused me of lying. Perhaps after you speak to Brian a belated apology would be in order ?????????

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    Old Timer

    Friday, November 23, 2012

  • Stuart this is a pointless question, what 7 homegrown players would you suggest come into the squad instead of the loan players. Any itfc supporter would of course prefer home grown talent to be in the squad, but at the moment we do not have that available, as the youth team were ruined when Kean got rid of Klug. It will take time to rebuild. Old timer (Brian) you are a big caller for youngsters to be brought in lets have your names.

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    Cyril Baker

    Thursday, November 22, 2012

  • Brian, I have previously explained I am not writing to you, the person that uses the Old Timer handle is a friend of mine who is also named Brian. For some obscure reason the moderator blocked the entry, and will probably do the same with this entry.

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    Cyril Baker

    Friday, November 23, 2012

  • Old Timer, I suggest you check with eadt whether or not two people can use the same log in even if they mix upper case and lower case. Of course if you were confident enough in your own comments you would not need to hide behind an alias.

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    Cyril Baker

    Thursday, November 22, 2012

  • Brian, you have to accept you are nowhere near 7 even when you include Loach who is no youngster, and Hewitt who did not come through our youth system. The only two I would accept are Hyam and possibly Smith, Carson was given his chance under RK came back from the break totally out of condition and has been nowhere near the same player since. You must admit Smith would be a big risk in our current position as he still makes too many mistakes so you fail miserably.

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    Cyril Baker

    Thursday, November 22, 2012

  • Perhaps you should answer your own blindingly obvious question by looking at Crystal Palace who have a policy and tradition of blooding youngsters early (not to mention recognising what Delaney can do) and Town who have a recent trdition of avoiding home grown talent and contracted players in preference for subsidised loans. Both were in lower mid-table this time last year... both have lost their managers, albeit for differing reasons. It matters not one jot what the supporters think - the owner wants to cut costs and bulk loans does that rather nicely.

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    Rob Steroo

    Thursday, November 22, 2012

  • Cyril - you're right - I have long advocated giving our own youngsters a chance. You ask for names - which I do invariably give - lets start with Hyam & Carson - who incidentally get a similar mention from Sonko. I feel also Smith should have a permanent place in the team. Also I would prefer Loach to Henderson & Hewitt to Orr. That's half a team that could be brought in for failing loanees. In addition I think players such as Murray would have improved significantly if given game time. However as John Burls says there should be a blend of the 2 - if for no other reason than that the loanees seem to outnumber our own players. I am not arrogant enough to suggest this is definately the solution to our problems - but a) the loanee system does not seem to be a complete answer & b) there has to come a point where we start building for the future - the perennial scramble to see if we can finish another season in 15th has gone on too long. While I would agree that some EADT polls are not always reflective - the fact that over 70% are of the same opinion would seem to indicate that I am not alone in this. Finally I have taken note in the past that you have said the Beatties Warks Burleys Brazils Gates etc are no longer coming through so youth in itself may not be the answer. On this point I do agree with you - but equally would contend that these players originally came to ITFC because of our much admired youth system in the knowledge that they would be well coached given a chance to play when it was merited. This was the 'Ipswich way' & while the quality of players may no longer be here I similarly do not think the principle itself should be abandoned. Hopefully I have answered your question - perhaps in turn you can tell us all why you think loanees are such a good idea ????????

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    Old Timer

    Thursday, November 22, 2012

  • Kevin, Please raise the issue made in your last sentence when you attend the forthcoming AGM.

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    Brian Betts

    Thursday, November 22, 2012

  • It's a loaded Poll, because i'm sure every single person who voted YES would be happy with 1 or 2 loan players to add value - in the way Wilshere and then Sturridge did to Bolton (keeping them up for successive seasons) for example. As to what Stockdale says - I agree, why would a loan player come and play badly - but would they really fight for the team? I think they might hope to play well and rate their own individual acts, but if, for example, a non-loan player made a mistake, would a loan player bust a gut to cover that mistake, or would they just think "well I didn't make the mistake so I played well". I think it's more down to the individual than being a collective rule, and I'm sure McCarthy will work it out. My MAIN worry with loan players, is that people like Loach, Carson and Hyam will move on if they're not getting the gametime they deserve or need to develop and then we have the situation when Stockdale himself left - we have no one to cover as the permanent players will have gone!

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    Tom Conder

    Friday, November 23, 2012

  • Cyril, you are still getting confused between Old Timer & me, UNLESS you know his name isBrian as well !!!!!!

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    Brian Betts

    Thursday, November 22, 2012

  • I just don't think on the whole the load players are any better than the ones they are keeping out of the tea. Smith for Higginbottom, Hyam for Re-Coker, Jet for Murphy and lets see what Hewitt can do in place of Orr.

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    Tim Bartlett

    Thursday, November 22, 2012

  • I totally refute any arguments for loan players , keep them and this club will be relegated , no ifs or buts they will be in division one nest season , the only players i would keep out of our current squad would be hyam , loach and cresswell , end of . Get shot of the rest and start again mick.

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    KEVIN FRANCIS

    Thursday, November 22, 2012

  • Thers nothing wrong with the loaned players at the club the problem is at the top where no one knows what he is doing, its like a circus full of clowns!!!

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    ged scott

    Thursday, November 22, 2012

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