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06/04/2009, 12:01 PM Graham Joined on 17/07/2008 Posts 26 Jim. Magilton What a disappointing season this has been. I was one of those people who believes in giving a manager a fair crack of the whip but three years - is that enough? The crowds were shouting "You don't know what your doing" which angers Jim. and he states he does know what he is doing. If he knows what he is doing and we perform like that I wonder  if he has the ability to "correct" it. He also states, after the Sheffield United match, "I don't know what to put it down to" which tells me he maybe doesn't know how to put it right therefore what he is doing. Let us please remember that, after selling off our"Crown jewels" (youngsters from our academy) or loaning them out - Westlake, Clarke, Supple, Bowditch, etc., this is, if I am not mistaken, 100% Jims. team. This is the team Jim. considers is better than the players we had previously had playing for us. I do not believe it is. Remember George Burley, when he first came in as manager, introduced youngsters into the team, and, although he couldn't hack it in the Premeir league he did a lot of good using little money and many youngsters. It was the same with Bobby. Robson. I would have thought Jim. would have learned fron history.      Report

07/04/2009, 1:16 PM Only one Sir Bobby Robson Joined on 27/02/2008 Posts 237 Re: Jim. Magilton I believe you are correct in many of your assertions, Graham. Jim has shown no signs of improvement in his own management and has had plenty of chance to. His sound bites seem to be getting more unacceptable as time goes on. I am not Alex Bruce's greatest fan but the latest one exemplifies Jim's inability to bite his tongue when he needs to. I believe his days are limited now but let us remember him for his achievements on the pitch and not for his lack of leadership abilities. As for the team being worse than when Jim took over, performance-wise there is little difference and that is the problem - no improvement. I do, however, have a strong belief that the squad is greatly improved. What the club needs is an experienced head to bring them together and get the right mix of experience and youth which the club now has in abundance. Plus, never say Burley couldn't hack it in the Prem. He led Town to their highest finish since Bobby Robson left. We all know it went sour and have various ideas about why and where, but he gave us Premiership football, success and Europe - never say he couldn't hack it or bring success.    Report

09/04/2009, 10:52 AM Graham Joined on 17/07/2008 Posts 26 Re: Jim. Magilton I really believe the team is worse than when Jim. took over. In those early days we were more difficult to beat and, even then, played attractive football. That is not something I can say on the limited times I have seen the Town, either on TV or live, this season. I also believe Burley did a lot of good things at and for ITFC, introducing youngsters to the team being just one, however, if what we hear is to be believed, he lost the ability to motivate the dressing room at the end. I really wish it could have been better because he did much for the Town both as a player and a manager.     Report

10/04/2009, 11:46 PM Only one Sir Bobby Robson Joined on 27/02/2008 Posts 237 Re: Jim. Magilton  Graham wrote: I really believe the team is worse than when Jim. took over. In those early days we were more difficult to beat and, even then, played attractive football. That is not something I can say on the limited times I have seen the Town, either on TV or live, this season. I also believe Burley did a lot of good things at and for ITFC, introducing youngsters to the team being just one, however, if what we hear is to be believed, he lost the ability to motivate the dressing room at the end. I really wish it could have been better because he did much for the Town both as a player and a manager.  The league positions in Joe Royle's last season and this season are both very similar suggesting Town are neither easier nor more difficult to beat. I think memories can be short and there was just as much groundswell of opinion against Royle before he left as there has been against Jim. The way the team has performed is neither worse nor better hence the league position. The football has not always been fantastic but I do see nearly all home games and the team does still play a mostly passing game just without a cutting edge too often. The defence is actually improved. It is obviously difficult for you to judge when you don't see too many games, but overall the squad is improved. Would you not choose Counago, Stead, Lisbie above Parkin, Forster and a loanee such as Scowcroft or Shumi, Norris (in the centre), Walters and Civelli above Richards/Currie, J Wright/Williams, Horlock/Dinning and Peters; R. Wright above Price? There is no doubt in my mind that the squad is improved as it should be with the money spent. The problem is the lack of improvement in terms of both results and performance.    Report

11/04/2009, 10:15 AM Graham Joined on 17/07/2008 Posts 26 Re: Jim. Magilton I would not want to get into a back and forth slanging match about this because, after all, it is only our personal opinions and I respect the fact that you see more live matches than I do but I have just looked up some facts on the web regarding recent managers and it makes interesting reading. The recent managers records read Jim. Played  143, goals for 198 (1.38), goals against 174 (1.21), Win %'age 38.5.   Joe. Royle P 189, F 308 (1.6), A 265 (1.4), W 42.9,   George Burley P 413, F 620 (1.5), A 497 (1.2), W 45.5,   John Lyall P 231, F 291 (1.26), A 308 (1.3), W 33.3.  In fact one has to go back to Bobby Ferguson with a win %age worse than Jim's at 37.6 after John Lyall. The figures in brackets after For and Against are percentage per game. I have to say that I would rather watch Georges and Jims. teams playing more attractive football than we saw this season even with players like Nicky. Forster, Jermaine Wright, James Scowcroft and the like than some and I mean some of those proudly putting on the Town shirts these days.    Report

11/04/2009, 3:33 PM Pablo Picarsole Joined on 01/07/2008 Down the rubbedy - The BEST place to be! Posts 2,603 Re: Jim. Magilton The mad jockey is the best manager you've ever had. Has anybody seen my paintings? I left them in here somewhere!    Report

11/04/2009, 10:37 PM TrueBlue Joined on 11/04/2009 Posts 4 Re: Jim. Magilton Well things just aren't getting any better are they? Quite the opposite in fact. What dissapoints me most, aside from Jims management skills, or perhaps lack of them, is his arrogance. He simply cannot or will not accept that he is out of his depth, and as a result he won't accept responsibility. What really angered me this evening is the way he blamed the players. Granted, most of them seemed uninterested and showed a distinct lack of enthusiasm for most of the game today, but who is it that brought most of these players in? Whos job is it to motivate and instruct them before the game? I'm sorry but as far as I am concerned the buck stops with Jim, and while he served us well as a player, he has failed as a manager. It's time he took responsibility and did the honourable thing - step down. If I was this inept at my job, I would have been sacked long ago. Just my 2 pennies worth!    Report

12/04/2009, 9:20 PM Only one Sir Bobby Robson Joined on 27/02/2008 Posts 237 Re: Jim. Magilton I think what we are all agreed on is that Jim is failing to achieve what is expected from him. He has been given plenty of time and the disappointing thing is that there is little, if indeed any, sign of improvement. Graham's statistics support this. What I am trying to point out is that things overall are not as bad as some try to make out. The lack of entertainment is due to the lack of creativity much more than lack of style (yesterday's equaliser was a quality piece of football and far from unique this season) and under Joe Royle the gung-ho style meant for plenty of action at each end of the pitch. The players are not performing but their quality is better than what we had before. We need an experienced manager to get the best out of them. I can only think that Marcus Evans either has an eye on a manager who is not available yet but whom he is confident will be over the summer or that he is determined to give Jim the start of next season. Most of us hope it isn't the latter although the supreme optimist in me still hopes somehow Jim will learn to man-manage and improve tactically beyond recognition. The realist in me says his arrogance will prevent him from doing so. He never did learn it as a captain and seems less likely to now. What I also point out is let's remember him (and George Burley) for what they did achieve rather than their obvious short-comings that lead to their downfall. I agree 100% with TrueBlue's comments although I know plenty of professions where equally (or even more) inept people don't get sacked. Football management is not one of them, though.    Report

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